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everyone is expected to be loyal to trump, but trump is not loyal back to them. i'm curious to see how he behaves when it's michael cohen's turn on the stand. even though they will try to impugn his integrity and all that, that's fine, but there are receipts. this case isn't just based on michael cohen's word on things. there are other people corroborating this, and david pecker being one of them. that's why he went first. >> dave i wanted to turn to the gag order violations, trump is accused of violating the gag order four more times, bringing the total number of violations to 15. some eagle experts have speculated judge mershon might be willing to rule on these all at once rather separately. will he be asked to spend a night in jail or have consequence for violating these gag orders? >> maybe way down the line, ayman, but i think he's going to get a fine, an accumulation of fines, but trump is being treated different than us. i've never seen any defendant curse at the judge and get away with it. i mean the judge has the gavel, where's the black robe, you have t
everyone is expected to be loyal to trump, but trump is not loyal back to them. i'm curious to see how he behaves when it's michael cohen's turn on the stand. even though they will try to impugn his integrity and all that, that's fine, but there are receipts. this case isn't just based on michael cohen's word on things. there are other people corroborating this, and david pecker being one of them. that's why he went first. >> dave i wanted to turn to the gag order violations, trump is...
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charging mark meadows, rudy giuliani, and 16 other trump allies, and naming trump, himself, as an unindicted co-conspirator. and then there is trump's hush money trial in manhattan, where witnesses revealed his earliest forms of election interference. trump has denied the allegations and pleaded not guilty to 34 felony counts of falsifying business records. former national inquirer publisher, david pecker, was the first to take the stand. testifying that he suppressed story about trump's scandals and spread lies about his rivals in the 2016 race. also known as fake news. pecker said he served as the " eyes and ears for the campaign at trump's on request. " then, rhona graff testified under subpoena, saying she remembered seeing stormy daniels in the trump tower lobby, and adding her contact info to the trump organization database. when court reconvenes, tuesday morning, there will be more testimony from the banker, who helped michael cohen pay off stormy daniels. now, here's some food for thought. as we hurtle into week two of trump's hush money election interference trial. if the supreme co
charging mark meadows, rudy giuliani, and 16 other trump allies, and naming trump, himself, as an unindicted co-conspirator. and then there is trump's hush money trial in manhattan, where witnesses revealed his earliest forms of election interference. trump has denied the allegations and pleaded not guilty to 34 felony counts of falsifying business records. former national inquirer publisher, david pecker, was the first to take the stand. testifying that he suppressed story about trump's...
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>>> you've been watching our special trump on trial. you can always connect with me online, including asking questions about this trial at arimelber.com. keep it right here on msnbc. >>> good evening, and welcome to tonight's lead on politics nation, democracy on trial. tonight i'm in washington, d.c., ahead of the annual white house correspondent's dinner where there will be no doubt plenty of cocktail hour conversation about the whirlwind week of legal proceedings for former president trump. the first witness in trump's manhattan hush money trial took the stand this week, and the former publisher of the national enquirer detailed how farrakhan candidate trump went to -- like his alleged affair with porn star stormy daniels. >>> meanwhile, here in washington on thursday heard trump's argument that the presidency itself is above the law as his lawyers claim he has total immunity for his efforts to subvert the 2020 election. some of the court's most conservative justices, many of which were nominated by trump himself, seemed open, if not
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everything that was done was done legally by the trump legal team according to the rules and rudy giuliani. >> there you have it. that was a big deal at the time. epshteyn admitting an hour interview after that back and forth, with the results and the examples and the other corroborating evidence that he was in the elector plot. these are states like arizona, where have lost. it looks a lot like government fraud. joyce vance is back with us. i mentioned the nexus in your case, and also how this is another person in the elector plot that is now facing a potential trial and a potential convention. your thoughts? >> you might as well mark that tape you played as a government exhibit 1. that is an -- he is talking about the fake elector scheme he is now charged and in arizona. when that is added onto some of the other evidence that we have heard about that is publicly known, we do not know what prosecutors might have that we are unaware of. emails are trying to convince officials in arizona they should come on board for this plan, to put in a fake slate of electors to try to tie up the certifi
everything that was done was done legally by the trump legal team according to the rules and rudy giuliani. >> there you have it. that was a big deal at the time. epshteyn admitting an hour interview after that back and forth, with the results and the examples and the other corroborating evidence that he was in the elector plot. these are states like arizona, where have lost. it looks a lot like government fraud. joyce vance is back with us. i mentioned the nexus in your case, and also...
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or trump. what does this tell you? >> it tells us what we already know and we have to see what the jury will conclude. overall right now, i would say that either side can win this case. will come down to the skill of the lawyers, how you lay out the facts will play a substantial role in terms of how the jury receives them. that is the purpose of opening statements. that is the purpose of david pecker. is how the jury here's the rest of the information. for them to have a chance have to do something they did. the admitted some guilt but not enough to face a conviction. they said yeah, we did some of the stuff but it is not really a legal. how important that has testimony becomes relies entirely on whether or not you accept that narrative from the defense. >> in the cross-examination, they tried to make the case that catch and kill practice happens all the time and was nothing special. pecker gave pretty damning examples including checkbook journalism to detect arnold schwarzenegger. what did he
or trump. what does this tell you? >> it tells us what we already know and we have to see what the jury will conclude. overall right now, i would say that either side can win this case. will come down to the skill of the lawyers, how you lay out the facts will play a substantial role in terms of how the jury receives them. that is the purpose of opening statements. that is the purpose of david pecker. is how the jury here's the rest of the information. for them to have a chance have to do...
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trump and she has been loyal to mr. trump. this is where you get this intersection, that is what rona graff faced, as well. you are now on the line, somebody has broken the law. this is obviously an election interference issue, a very serious issue. it is not just a hush money case. so, i am sure hope is being well advised by her lawyers, under no circumstances can you commit perjury in a case like this. just be careful, because the government has access to lots and lots of information. so, you have to tell the truth. i hope that she will do that, even if it hurts mr. trump. >> do you have any sense of any kind of relationship between them now? if they stay in communication? i'm talking about "hopey", as donald trump would call her. >> i actually don't. i actually know that one of my friends, when i worked with goldman sachs, recently married hope. i wish them great success. she is a lovely person. but again, this is just the problem of working with mr. trump. so, maybe to build but are thinking about working for mr. trump don
trump and she has been loyal to mr. trump. this is where you get this intersection, that is what rona graff faced, as well. you are now on the line, somebody has broken the law. this is obviously an election interference issue, a very serious issue. it is not just a hush money case. so, i am sure hope is being well advised by her lawyers, under no circumstances can you commit perjury in a case like this. just be careful, because the government has access to lots and lots of information. so, you...
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you can't do that with trump. he is insisting on the truth of i never slept with stormy, i never slept with mcdougal. the whole credibility, and which i think is the case, if he doesn't testify, it goes to the jury. do we believe trump, or everyone else? that is too big to wait for him to try to carry. >> yes. and pecker also testified that he spoke to hicks, as well as sanders. he was explaining to them why he tried to -- what concerns does this raise for you? and if they are somewhat involved. >> it connects the payments to some kind of benefit for the president. these are not completely unrelated personal issues. they had a very direct and practical impact on his political status as a candidate, and then even after the election. one of the things that are striking here, how many people close to the defendant, the former president will testify. part of the success candid of the hearings and our process, how many of our witnesses were longtime republicans, officials of the trump administration, people close to hi
you can't do that with trump. he is insisting on the truth of i never slept with stormy, i never slept with mcdougal. the whole credibility, and which i think is the case, if he doesn't testify, it goes to the jury. do we believe trump, or everyone else? that is too big to wait for him to try to carry. >> yes. and pecker also testified that he spoke to hicks, as well as sanders. he was explaining to them why he tried to -- what concerns does this raise for you? and if they are somewhat...
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he is feeding trump enough rope so trump can hang himself. >> if he puts trump into custody, just does it up front immediately once the first filings are made, there's an appeal and there's a lot of public outcry. if he lets this go to the point where he says i'm doing this because donald trump has given me no choice, i have to protect the integrity of this trial, that is what new york losses to him, this is a much easier sell at that point. >> joyce vance, hugo luo, thank you for being here, chickens, and honduras. >>> you can get the best of msnbc sent straight to your inbox every day. each morning, you will find expert analysis and video highlights from your favorite shows. you can also catch previews of original podcasts and document trees and written perspectives for some of the biggest newsmakers. scan the qr code you see on your screen and sign up right now. >>> still to come, is it time for tiktok? congressman maxwell frost will join me with what is next for tiktok now that president biden has signed and all but certain band of the blockbuster social media at into law. you are
he is feeding trump enough rope so trump can hang himself. >> if he puts trump into custody, just does it up front immediately once the first filings are made, there's an appeal and there's a lot of public outcry. if he lets this go to the point where he says i'm doing this because donald trump has given me no choice, i have to protect the integrity of this trial, that is what new york losses to him, this is a much easier sell at that point. >> joyce vance, hugo luo, thank you for...
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enter donald trump. yesterday the wall street journal reported that trump's advisors are quietly crafting proposals that would give him unprecedented power to erode the federal reserve's independence if he gets back into the white house. that plan is reportedly part of a roughly 10 page document that outlines his policy vision for the fed. among the proposed provisions in the document is one that if elected would make trump an acting federal reserve board member who would be consulted on interest rate decisions. the journal also said that according to people familiar with the matter the policies would give trump quote the aught toy oust jerome powell as fed chair before his four year term ends in 2026. in fact quote, some of the former president's advisors have discussed requiring that candidates for fed chair privately agree to consult informally with trump on the central bank's decisions. the wall street journal was unable to determine whether donald trump is aware of or signed off on this plan. after
enter donald trump. yesterday the wall street journal reported that trump's advisors are quietly crafting proposals that would give him unprecedented power to erode the federal reserve's independence if he gets back into the white house. that plan is reportedly part of a roughly 10 page document that outlines his policy vision for the fed. among the proposed provisions in the document is one that if elected would make trump an acting federal reserve board member who would be consulted on...
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and trumps the personal and fixer michael cohen. prosecutors allege it was at that meeting that the trio hashed out a plan to help donald trump's political chances by suppressing potentially scandalous stories about him. the strategy came to be known as "catch and kill." catch a story and kill it. it may not seem like there are any similarities between trumps trial in new york and that the collectors scheme about, for one thing, both of them involve the falsification of documents and records. both cases alleged the former president worked with others ind furtherance of a crime. in addition to the 18 people charged in arizona this week, as i mentioned, 16 people in michigan were charged with felonies last year for their roles in the fake elector effort in that state. six others in nevada have been charged and in georgia last summer, the fulton county district attorney rest racketeering charges against trump and 18 others, a charge typically used to take down organized crime. four of those defendants have since reached the agreements
and trumps the personal and fixer michael cohen. prosecutors allege it was at that meeting that the trio hashed out a plan to help donald trump's political chances by suppressing potentially scandalous stories about him. the strategy came to be known as "catch and kill." catch a story and kill it. it may not seem like there are any similarities between trumps trial in new york and that the collectors scheme about, for one thing, both of them involve the falsification of documents and...
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trump's attorneys are saying yes. but at the same time saying if you were to kill somebody he would be immune from that. i was struck by in the same week in two different courtrooms and different cases they are both fundamentally sort of at bottom and testing the legal system, a stress test for the country. >> you can almost hear michael steele who was away in bucharest, -- >> why has judge merchan not ruled on the gag order? >> i think he is concerned about this going up on appeal. ruled on the gag order? >> i think he is concerned about this going up on appeal. in. if you will stick around, we have much more to discuss. by the way, i wrote about how this trial, the election interference trial, seems to be diminishing donald trump and away we don't often see. it is in friday's edition of the msnbc daily newsletter. you can see online but also subscribe for free. right now. pull your phone out, get your phone, open up the camera, and scan the qr code on the screen. sign up and you can start reading. you are watching "
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today, trump on trial twice. over the next two hours, our legal and reporting team help us break town the supreme court immunity arguments and jaw dropping revelations from the 2016 election interference case. plus, calling his bluff. president biden is happy to debate trump. the expresident's grasp on the base weekends. congressman garcia joins us. and the joke is on us, we will preview d.c.'s big night white house correspondent din perp grab your coffee, settle in and welcome to the weekend. >>> donald trump keeps coming back to one strategy to avoid accountability and delay, delay, delay. the supreme court now seems poised to help the efforts. indicating that it could further stall the election federal election interference trial. this week the justices heard arguments on the presidential immunity claims although they are skeptical he has total immunity, several conservative justices indicated an openness to kick the case to the lower courts. meaning we likely will not see a trial before election day. crucial
today, trump on trial twice. over the next two hours, our legal and reporting team help us break town the supreme court immunity arguments and jaw dropping revelations from the 2016 election interference case. plus, calling his bluff. president biden is happy to debate trump. the expresident's grasp on the base weekends. congressman garcia joins us. and the joke is on us, we will preview d.c.'s big night white house correspondent din perp grab your coffee, settle in and welcome to the weekend....
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so, is this bad for donald trump? yeah. i mean, what we are seeing is that it is up to-- when you talk about the several states, any county prosecutor could decide, hey, you know what? this affected our state, our county, the attorneys general could do the same thing, and you know, going back to why so long? what was the delay all about? i totally agree with what lisa said. i would just like to add to it. i mean, it is no surprise that prosecutors were probably waiting around to see who was going to be the first to do it, because it is scary. it is scary to indict former president of the united states, because he has and will fight like heck at every level and losing a case, maybe the first against the former president would be a crushing defeat. in my view, from a social perspective, it was no surprise that, in just the last year, was the first indictment came down, everyone else felt much more emboldened to start indicting the president, because, listen, i don't blame them. it is a scary prospect, with just blaming disast
so, is this bad for donald trump? yeah. i mean, what we are seeing is that it is up to-- when you talk about the several states, any county prosecutor could decide, hey, you know what? this affected our state, our county, the attorneys general could do the same thing, and you know, going back to why so long? what was the delay all about? i totally agree with what lisa said. i would just like to add to it. i mean, it is no surprise that prosecutors were probably waiting around to see who was...
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and in an interview with howard stern, biden said he would be happy to debate trump. >>> welcome back to dateline, i am andrea canning. what happened to michele neurauter. detectives spotted signs of a struggling michele's bedroom. now, investigators suspected her death had been staged to look like a suicide. they were eager to have another chat with michele's ex- husband, lloyd. meanwhile, a distraught family member was about to get a startling view into michele's final years. here again is dennis murphy, with the ultimatum. >> michele neurauter's mother was still dealing with the loss of her elder child. and on top of that, grief was a long-standing sorrow. estrangement. michele had stopped talking to her mom years before. >> i mr., i love her, i did know what was going on, because we had never had a right. if we had a fight and hung up on each other, you know, we would get over it, but we did not have that fight. >> he needed know exactly what had gone on michele and lloyd's marriage, but she knew she never liked him. >> we are like, okay, she can do better than this, what does she
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next, we have a look back at donald trump's criminal trial, today. from all of our colleagues across the networks of nbc news, thank you for joining us. see you this weekend. he would tell stories about how he had angels protecting him, and people who had crossed him in the past >>> he would tell stories d dia how he had angels protecting him, and people who had crossed him in the past had gotten really sick or their family had died. he would get this terrible grin that just looked evil. >> reporter: they were sisters whose mom let them come here to live in this tight knit commune. >> we had meals and there were a lot of parties. >> reporter: a swimming pool. a fleet of cool cars. it seemed like a kid's fantasy. >> you were the little girl who got a horse for your birthday. >> i got three horses. >> reporter: it was called angel's landing. a special place for a chosen few. a community of free spirits. but also, some would come to suspect, troubling secrets. >> she fell and hit her head and drowned. >> reporter: it started with a strange sudden death.
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trump's election chances. trump's lawyers sought to raise questions about david memory and motive. david pecker was defined at one point, saying "i've been truthful to the best of my recollection ." the tabloid mogul also undermined the idea that trump wanted to bury those stories about women to protect his family, a common refrain from the defense. instead, he said he believed it was all to protect his campaign. >> i do have to begin by wishing melania trump happy birthday. >> reporter: melania trump was notably absent at trial. >> court will not based on session monday so the trial resumes tuesday at 9:30. with that, let's bring in our leadoff panel, john allen, politics reporter for nbc. eugene scott, senior politics reporter fracks yes, and the former federal prosecutor and senior writer for political magazine. thank you for joining us. trump's former longtime executive assistant testified for half an hour. she was known as "the gatekeeper" and set a company directory and numbers for stormy daniels and karen mcdougal. she also said the trump organization was paying her legal bi
trump's election chances. trump's lawyers sought to raise questions about david memory and motive. david pecker was defined at one point, saying "i've been truthful to the best of my recollection ." the tabloid mogul also undermined the idea that trump wanted to bury those stories about women to protect his family, a common refrain from the defense. instead, he said he believed it was all to protect his campaign. >> i do have to begin by wishing melania trump happy birthday....
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then, this text went to trump supporters. " i would love to be with melania trump on her birthday, but instead, i'm stuck in court !" it said, "i am humble asking you to please stand by my side today!" this is code, for send cash. he also repeated a lie that he's told over and over in court, "i'm at the heavily guarded courthouse. security is that of fort knox, also that maga will not be able to attend this trial." that's a lie, no one is preventing any member of the public from coming to trial. the two tourists from alaska took time out of their vacation to sit in the courtroom after seeing the play "an enemy of the people" on broadway. if any of the 74 million people who voted for trump wanted to come, they could have. donald trump would rather lie than admit that his supporters and his family are not showing up. had a they showed up, this is what they would have heard in court today as prosecutors called three witnesses to the stand. witness, david pecker, largely stood his ground despite trump's legal team attempting to undermine his testimony by claiming the deals to bury stories
then, this text went to trump supporters. " i would love to be with melania trump on her birthday, but instead, i'm stuck in court !" it said, "i am humble asking you to please stand by my side today!" this is code, for send cash. he also repeated a lie that he's told over and over in court, "i'm at the heavily guarded courthouse. security is that of fort knox, also that maga will not be able to attend this trial." that's a lie, no one is preventing any member of...
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trump on trial. new york versus defendant donald trump. we are joined by district attorney joyce vance and jason johnson. both analysts for us, joyce, i went through some of what we got this opening week. it fair to say if you are on the jury, the da is up in the lead. i was careful to say it doesn't mean we know the outcome. what do they have to worry about? >> it is a great question. if you are the prosecution and you are not up after your first witness, you are in big trouble. right? but, the prosecution really did start off i think with an unexpected bang. no one knew what to expect out of david pecker. we knew he had been cooperating with prosecutors and brought trump into the election fraud conspiracy necessary to turn the misdemeanor into a felony. he today up well on testimony. they did not seem to come after him with a lot. they questioned some of the key pieces of evidence. but he was thoroughly rehabilitated on cross- examination. >> i don't want to be unkind to the defendant. and he is legally presumed innocent. but his family
trump on trial. new york versus defendant donald trump. we are joined by district attorney joyce vance and jason johnson. both analysts for us, joyce, i went through some of what we got this opening week. it fair to say if you are on the jury, the da is up in the lead. i was careful to say it doesn't mean we know the outcome. what do they have to worry about? >> it is a great question. if you are the prosecution and you are not up after your first witness, you are in big trouble. right?...
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and stormy daniels did in fact have an intimate sexual encounter, which trump has tonight and trumps lawyers tonight in the opening statement. i think this is the first piece of evidence. my guess is there will be more evidence along these lines. my guess is the prosecutors want to be able to say to the jurors, at the end of this, you don't have to just take stormy daniels word. we presented additional evidence because trump has said she is whining. that to me is the significance of this. of the prosecutors can establish trump, to the extent prosecutors can establish trump is lying about anything, it is helpful to their case. this is a big point. he has tonight he's had this encounter with her but it appears it did in fact happen. >> john, michael cohen's banker was briefly on the stand today. seems like the prosecution is starting to dig into the records. we are talking dollars and cents. who sunk what and specific dates on specific documents. how crucial is it that the prosecution nails this part, nails this part so they don't have to worry about whether the jury buys the testimony
and stormy daniels did in fact have an intimate sexual encounter, which trump has tonight and trumps lawyers tonight in the opening statement. i think this is the first piece of evidence. my guess is there will be more evidence along these lines. my guess is the prosecutors want to be able to say to the jurors, at the end of this, you don't have to just take stormy daniels word. we presented additional evidence because trump has said she is whining. that to me is the significance of this. of...
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today was also the birthday of donald trump's third and current wife, melania trump. she did not support her husband in court. instead she stayed in florida. she had seven other days of this trial that were not her birthday and neither she nor any other member of the trump family have set with donald trump in the trial so far, but melania's birthday was such a big deal to donald trump that he used his first moments walking into court to complain about having to sit in court, rather than to be with his third and current wife on her birthday. in this text message went out to trump supporters. from trump, i'd love to be with melania on her birthday, but instead i'm stuck in court. the message went on to say, while i am away for my family, i'm humbly asking you to please stand by my side today. stand by my side, in case you have not figured it out, is code for send cash. today donald trump also repeated the lie he has told over and over. i am at the heavily guarded courthouse. security is that of fort knox, also that maga will not be able to attend the trial. again that i
today was also the birthday of donald trump's third and current wife, melania trump. she did not support her husband in court. instead she stayed in florida. she had seven other days of this trial that were not her birthday and neither she nor any other member of the trump family have set with donald trump in the trial so far, but melania's birthday was such a big deal to donald trump that he used his first moments walking into court to complain about having to sit in court, rather than to be...
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in this text message went out to trump supporters. from trump, i'd love to be with melania on her birthday, but instead i'm stuck in court. the message went on to say, while i am away for my family,
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today donald trump also repeated the lie he has told over and over. i am at the heavily guarded courthouse. security is that of fort knox,
today donald trump also repeated the lie he has told over and over. i am at the heavily guarded courthouse. security is that of fort knox,
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trump. prosecutor, have you published a story about a playboy model having a year-long sexual affair while he was married with a presidential candidate, with that of sold magazines, do you think? >> yes. that would be like national enquirer gold. at the time you enter that agreement you had zero intention of publishing that story? pecker, that's correct. stein glass, and despite the fact that publishing that story would've helped your bottom line, you killed the story because it helped the candidate, donald trump. pecker, yes. pretty damaging testimony. the defense team tried to poke holes in it by suggesting that the national enquirer killed the mcdougal story not to help donald trump, but to help karen mcdougal. defense attorney emil bove. and you were very clear on cross-examination that ms. mcdougal did not want to publish that story, right? that is correct. bove, she wanted to promote her name and brand, correct? yes. she, karen mcdougal was illegitimate celebrity at that time, right? p
trump. prosecutor, have you published a story about a playboy model having a year-long sexual affair while he was married with a presidential candidate, with that of sold magazines, do you think? >> yes. that would be like national enquirer gold. at the time you enter that agreement you had zero intention of publishing that story? pecker, that's correct. stein glass, and despite the fact that publishing that story would've helped your bottom line, you killed the story because it helped...
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trump and then mr. trump keeps at it anyway. >> you run out of room. >> exactly. he may not, he may not want to paint himself and that. >> judge kiesel, philip hamilton, thank you both. >>> still ahead, the conservative members of the "bend over backwards to help trump one more time. what interstate didn't mean for the rule of law. that's next. at's next. i got rapid relief... and reduced fatigue with rinvoq. check. when flares kept trying to slow me down... i got lasting steroid—free remission... with rinvoq. check. and when my doctor saw damage,... rinvoq helped visibly reduce damage of the intestinal lining. check. for both uc and crohn's: rapid symptom relief... lasting steroid—free remission... and visibly reduced damage. check. check. and check. rinvoq can lower your ability to fight infections, including tb. serious infections and blood clots, some fatal; cancers, including lymphoma and skin; heart attack, stroke, and gi tears occurred. people 50 and older with a heart disease risk factor have an increased risk of death. serious allergic reactions can o
trump and then mr. trump keeps at it anyway. >> you run out of room. >> exactly. he may not, he may not want to paint himself and that. >> judge kiesel, philip hamilton, thank you both. >>> still ahead, the conservative members of the "bend over backwards to help trump one more time. what interstate didn't mean for the rule of law. that's next. at's next. i got rapid relief... and reduced fatigue with rinvoq. check. when flares kept trying to slow me down... i...
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he's in donald trump's pocket. bove then asked whether that incident is among those that colored his view that cohen is prone to exaggeration? pecker said yes. during redirect, pecker is asked about average payments when they do catch and kill stories. he said you testified on cross that arnold schwarzenegger announced his candidacy for governor and afterwards some 30 to 40 women came forward and you told mr. bove you paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to kill those stories. pecker, yes. what was the average of those payments? pecker, the largest was $20,000, the others were up to $2,000. just the doorman got $30,000. it's different degrees. >> totally different degrees. you're looking at this giant six-figure payments to macdougal and to daniels. it's a totally different ball game. >> also, he didn't admit to campaign finance violations although he might have committed state crimes in the arnold schwarzenegger case. >> the reason that david pecker said he was even sensitive to the campaign finance angle of payi
he's in donald trump's pocket. bove then asked whether that incident is among those that colored his view that cohen is prone to exaggeration? pecker said yes. during redirect, pecker is asked about average payments when they do catch and kill stories. he said you testified on cross that arnold schwarzenegger announced his candidacy for governor and afterwards some 30 to 40 women came forward and you told mr. bove you paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to kill those stories. pecker, yes....
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all to protect trump's campaign. they led to a specific agreement to cook the books to hide their financial footprints. the da said this will be corroborated with evidence in trump's own words. trump's defense rebuts that saying there isn't even a actual conspiracy charge in this case, that's true. the word conspiracy has a legal meaning and a more could he loek which al meaning be. they're attacking the whole election theory that trump promoted an election by unlawful means. that would be needed to super size it into a felony case. so the trump defense has kind of said, well, maybe the da is just being alarmist about what amounts to, however dirty, politics as usual. that's how they argue it. trump's lawyers proclaiming there's nothing wrong with trying to influence an election. it's called democracy. the da has put up three witnesses with testimony this week. now the national enquirer chief david pecker was clearly the hottest unloading details, dishing on the original sorted meeting that formed the trump alliance
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she's donald trump's long-time assistant. she worked at the trump organization for 34 years. she also noted that she was on the stand because she had been subpoenaed and that the trump organization is paying for her attorneys. in a very brief line of questioning from the prosecution, alvin bragg's team had her authenticate e-mails and contacts for stormy daniels and karen mcdougal. graph said she had a vague recollection of seeing stormy daniels in the reception area of her office before donald trump was running for president. in cross-examination from donald trump's lawyer, graph also the said she recalled hearing about how stormy daniels, who she knew at the time was a porn star, was under consideration to be a contestant on the celebrity apprentice. today's day in court began with the former national inquirer ceo david pecker finishing his testimony. trump's team continued its cross-examination of pecker. at times, it was contentious. pecker reterated at the end of that cross-examination he was being truth tofl the best of his recollection. when questioned again by the pro
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, not only through the trump campaign but also the trump organization. and gary farro may be able to authenticate some of those e-mail conversations and his understanding of the transfer of money from bank accounts that ultimately made its way to stormy daniels attorney there at the close of october of 2016, katy. >> october 26th, 2016, is when this e-mail was dated. that also happens to be my birthday. let's get back to the panel at the table, danny and adam. gary farro, why is he important? >> in 2018, michael cohen said neither the trump organization or the trump campaign had anything to do with the transaction between stormy daniels and me, but this is that e-mail that was uncovered around that time from october 26th, 2016, that shows that that was probably not the case, at least because the e-mail was not through cohen's gmail account, it was through his trump organization e-mail account, which doesn't really coincide with his statement that the trump organization had nothing to do with it. >> he had his e-mail on his phone, and you know, his person
, not only through the trump campaign but also the trump organization. and gary farro may be able to authenticate some of those e-mail conversations and his understanding of the transfer of money from bank accounts that ultimately made its way to stormy daniels attorney there at the close of october of 2016, katy. >> october 26th, 2016, is when this e-mail was dated. that also happens to be my birthday. let's get back to the panel at the table, danny and adam. gary farro, why is he...
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with donald trump. i think there's a lot of folks who would like to part ways with donald trump but they're scared of the consequences because it's well known, he will threaten people all the time who will say, you know, basically he'll say look, if you ever turn against me, i will destroy you. it's a common thing he says to people, it's a well known thing. i think there's a lot of people who would break with him but are scared to do so. pecker and hicks have been folks who have been managed to carefully walk the tight rope between telling the truth in these cases and getting to a place where donald trump actually turns his bazooka on them. and i do think, though, that being in that position does give them credibility in front of the jury. >> we have heard trump referred to repeatedly as the boss by david pecker in some of the transcripts we have seen. and cohen saying the boss will handle this or the boss will take care of this. how does that play into this trial? the people are calling rhona graff. >>
with donald trump. i think there's a lot of folks who would like to part ways with donald trump but they're scared of the consequences because it's well known, he will threaten people all the time who will say, you know, basically he'll say look, if you ever turn against me, i will destroy you. it's a common thing he says to people, it's a well known thing. i think there's a lot of people who would break with him but are scared to do so. pecker and hicks have been folks who have been managed to...
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donald trump? >> reporter: what is it about donald trump is a good question, chris. donald trump has staying power in so many ways. well, you may lose an election like the one in 2020, you also continue to have a following that is indignant upon any efforts to undermine him or the prestige of the trump organization or the political following, one that did garner more than 80 million votes in 2020, and folks are not naive to that, so even when donald trump loses an election or endorses candidates in 2022 who do lose, he continues to hold power to a great extent and also financial power, and that is what michael cohen for all those years had a full understanding of. hope hicks is going to take the stand here as a witness, and she has never met the ire of donald trump. those individuals who have caught his frustration are those who have attempted to sustain away from him, and when those individuals do step away from him, donald trump like bill barr, you are all but gone from his orbit here, and that's
donald trump? >> reporter: what is it about donald trump is a good question, chris. donald trump has staying power in so many ways. well, you may lose an election like the one in 2020, you also continue to have a following that is indignant upon any efforts to undermine him or the prestige of the trump organization or the political following, one that did garner more than 80 million votes in 2020, and folks are not naive to that, so even when donald trump loses an election or endorses...
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weeks before donald trump was sworn in as president. at that meeting, according to pecker, he says donald trump had thanked him for not only purchasing the rights to mcdougal's story but the doorman's story. donald trump's attorney under cross-examination is asking pecker why he told federal investigators in a 2018 meeting that he did not recall donald trump ever thanking him and pecker responded that he can remember what he testified to this week and he doesn't know why he testified or why the fbi wrote down what they did in 2018, nearly six years ago. he remembers and he says he knows that trump thanked him and that he stands by the testimony he provided this week. there are questions coming from trump's defense team about that non-prosecution agreement that american media and through david pecker signed with federal prosecutors back in 2018. at the time, the defense team for donald trump is now asking him about their intention to sell the "national enquirer" and two other american media tabloids to another company. if they were to be
weeks before donald trump was sworn in as president. at that meeting, according to pecker, he says donald trump had thanked him for not only purchasing the rights to mcdougal's story but the doorman's story. donald trump's attorney under cross-examination is asking pecker why he told federal investigators in a 2018 meeting that he did not recall donald trump ever thanking him and pecker responded that he can remember what he testified to this week and he doesn't know why he testified or why the...
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testified that he went to trump tower there, and just after a meeting that donald trump had with the likes of james comey, reince priebus and sean spicer there, two weeks before he was sworn in as president, david pecker replaced all the individuals and had testified this week that that is where donald trump had thanked him for purchasing the rights to dino the doorman story as well as karen mcdougal's story. that was previous testimony of david pecker, just this week, in answering questions from the prosecution. but now, presently, under cross examination, by donald trump's defense team, they are going back to old transcripts that david pecker, when he was talking with federal investigators, back in july of 2018, contended that in that very meeting, at trump tower january 2017, that he did not actually recall donald trump thanking him or ami for purchasing dino the doorman's story or karen mcdougal's story. and that is the current line of questioning that is currently under way of david pecker asking him about that distinction of why back in 2018, just one year after this supposed m
testified that he went to trump tower there, and just after a meeting that donald trump had with the likes of james comey, reince priebus and sean spicer there, two weeks before he was sworn in as president, david pecker replaced all the individuals and had testified this week that that is where donald trump had thanked him for purchasing the rights to dino the doorman story as well as karen mcdougal's story. that was previous testimony of david pecker, just this week, in answering questions...
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trump, his family wasn't mentioned. jessica. >> this is a key part of pecker's testimony to shore up the prosecution's theory that these payments that ami made and that michael cohen go to the crux of the case or campaign contributions that exceeded the amounts an individual under law was permitted to donate to a campaign. pecker said we were involved with stories with respect to trump earlier in our association with him before he ran for office, and at those earlier times, trump was concerned about protecting his family, but once it came time to be in the campaign when we were in the campaign, trump's concerns were all about the effect on his campaign prospects, and that's what, again, makes these payments and these stories different from all of those others. >> let's get another update from our vaughn hillyard at the courthouse. i understand they're talking about a 2015 meeting? >> reporter: you guys were talking about the effort of donald trump's defense team apparently trying to disconnect this from the significance
trump, his family wasn't mentioned. jessica. >> this is a key part of pecker's testimony to shore up the prosecution's theory that these payments that ami made and that michael cohen go to the crux of the case or campaign contributions that exceeded the amounts an individual under law was permitted to donate to a campaign. pecker said we were involved with stories with respect to trump earlier in our association with him before he ran for office, and at those earlier times, trump was...
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trump quiet. if anyone should buy it, pecker said, it should be donald trump and michael cohen. trump's former fixer. pecker says when he told cohen, quote, he was upset and responded that the boss, referring to trump, would be furious with me. pecker said he believed mr. trump or his company had paid daniels until cohen told him in december of 2016 that he was the one who paid her. prosecutors are seeking to prove mr. trump doctored internal business records to cover up that payment. pecker also testified trump was aghast when he saw stormy daniels on "60 minutes." >> was it hush money to stay silent? >> yes. >> reporter: pecker said trump called him. he said, we have an agreement with stormy daniels that she cannot mention my name. trump later denied knowledge of the arrangement. on cross-examination, mr. trump's lawyers challenging pecker's credibility and business practices. at a campaign event earlier in the day, mr. trump addressed the testimony of his long-time friend. >> david has been ver
trump quiet. if anyone should buy it, pecker said, it should be donald trump and michael cohen. trump's former fixer. pecker says when he told cohen, quote, he was upset and responded that the boss, referring to trump, would be furious with me. pecker said he believed mr. trump or his company had paid daniels until cohen told him in december of 2016 that he was the one who paid her. prosecutors are seeking to prove mr. trump doctored internal business records to cover up that payment. pecker...
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trump despite his loss to president biden. the sending of phony slates of pro-trump electors to congress to disrupt the election certification on january 6th looming large at the high court as well. as the justices look to determine the line between a political candidate's actions taken for personal gain from a president's official conduct that could be immune from prosecution. >> that was nbc's lara jarrett reporting. and joining us now is msnbc legal analyst danny cevallos. thanks for waking up early because i think one of the biggest legal issues i have to ask you about from watching and listening yesterday is the argument from trump's attorneys that the justices have to distinguish between personal and official acts of a president. what did you make of that argument? it got pretty dark at various points. >> yesterday was a day of doomsday hypotheticals, which really echoes the socratic method that is taught at law schools where you give someone a hypothetical, you speak the facts, and you take it to maybe an absurd result,
trump despite his loss to president biden. the sending of phony slates of pro-trump electors to congress to disrupt the election certification on january 6th looming large at the high court as well. as the justices look to determine the line between a political candidate's actions taken for personal gain from a president's official conduct that could be immune from prosecution. >> that was nbc's lara jarrett reporting. and joining us now is msnbc legal analyst danny cevallos. thanks for...
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trump campaign. again, whether or not this was all done to benefit the campaign is at least one of the cruxes of the matter here. again, this from an nbc reporter's courtroom notes today. bove, cohen was mr. trump's personal lawyer and that was his only job? pecker, correct. bove, between 2015 and 2016 cohen was always clear he wasn't working for his campaign, he was his personal attorney. pecker, yes. that's in addition to trump's defense attorney trying to make it seem to the jury that pecker has a faulty memory, implying he had his facts fed to him by prosecutors suggesting he might have lied under oath at one point when he didn't mention multiple times hope hicks, trump staffer hope hicks was present at at least one key meeting. the defense will get to resume their cross-examination of david pecker tomorrow morning when court reconvenes at 930 a.m. i have to say the revelations on david pecker on direct examination feel so understandable and straightforward and sort of right to the point in terms
trump campaign. again, whether or not this was all done to benefit the campaign is at least one of the cruxes of the matter here. again, this from an nbc reporter's courtroom notes today. bove, cohen was mr. trump's personal lawyer and that was his only job? pecker, correct. bove, between 2015 and 2016 cohen was always clear he wasn't working for his campaign, he was his personal attorney. pecker, yes. that's in addition to trump's defense attorney trying to make it seem to the jury that pecker...
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i think about this in terms of trump acting as president trump on the one hand and as candidate trump on the other. that would then go back down to the lower court, presumably to make a ruling, i suppose, they could also decide to send it back to the court of appeals and trump's lawyer suggested it should go back to the district judge. you know, the silver lining is for her to make that decision. she could decide she needs to hold an evidentiary hearing and put on a miniature trial in essence before she made that determination. it would be cumbersome, it would be subject to additional layers of appeal, most likely. it would, as you mentioned, engender a lot of delay. but there is a slightly rosy prospect of actually having a hearing even though there would not be a jury verdict, hearing where the government evidence would become public. >> i wanted to ask about something that tonja brown jackson said to the end of the hearing today, putting aside that she was asked during, why can't we just answer the question as presented, she also said that article two, which is what the lawyer for
i think about this in terms of trump acting as president trump on the one hand and as candidate trump on the other. that would then go back down to the lower court, presumably to make a ruling, i suppose, they could also decide to send it back to the court of appeals and trump's lawyer suggested it should go back to the district judge. you know, the silver lining is for her to make that decision. she could decide she needs to hold an evidentiary hearing and put on a miniature trial in essence...
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trump quiet. if anyone should buy it, pecker said, it should be donald trump and michael cohen , trump's former fixer. pecker said when he told cohen, quote, he was upset and said that the boss, a recording to trump, would be furious with me. pecker said today he believed mr. trump or his company had paid daniels until cohen told him in december of 2016 that he was the one who paid her. prosecutors are seeking to prove mr. trump doctored internal business records to cover up that payment. pecker also testified trump was aghast when he saw stormy daniels on 60 minutes. >> was it hush money to stay silent? >> yes. >> reporter: pecker said trump called him. he said we have an agreement with stormy daniels that she cannot mention my name. trump later denied knowledge of the arrangement. on cross-examination, mr. trump's lawyers challenging credibility and business practice. at a campaign event earlier in the day mr. trump addressed the testimony of his longtime friend. >> david has been a nice guy. >>
trump quiet. if anyone should buy it, pecker said, it should be donald trump and michael cohen , trump's former fixer. pecker said when he told cohen, quote, he was upset and said that the boss, a recording to trump, would be furious with me. pecker said today he believed mr. trump or his company had paid daniels until cohen told him in december of 2016 that he was the one who paid her. prosecutors are seeking to prove mr. trump doctored internal business records to cover up that payment....
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donald trump. $12,000 with, $13,000.00 is not a lot of money to donald trump. so long as judge juan merchan doesn't have other options under the statute, even if he says the next time you do it jail is a possibility, he is already said that. >> is a constraint by statute or by what an appellate court would say from making an amount of money that would be more meaningful, that would be $100,000.00 per violation ? >> i think he is. i looked at the criminal contempt statute in new york and it is pretty clear those options are as i just outlined it. does that mean he couldn't find trump in violation of some other statute that has not been briefed before him? nobody has also said i'm not going to summarily find contempt. these are things you have to bring before me. he has made it very clear. these are not summary proceedings. unless he actually does it in front of me, i'm not going to do it on my own volition. >> we could keep going., we shouldn't. that will do it for us for now. now it is time for the
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donald trump. >> reporter: trump turned to the business at hand and asked david pecker, how is our girl? >> as his argument for absolute immunity finally goes before the supreme court. >> this court has never recognized absolute criminal immunity for any public official. >> a private attorney who was willing to spread false claims of election fraud -- >> what was up with the pardon for president nixon? if everybody thought presidents couldn't be prosecuted, what was that about? >> if it fails completely it is because we have destroyed our democracy. >> tonight, rachel maddow, nicolle wallace, joy reid, chris hayes, lawrence o'donnell, ra melber, all here as msnbc's special coverage of trump on trial begins now. >> who has the time? who has the time? you are telling me that simultaneously we've got three hours of oral argument at the united states supreme court about the former president claiming he is totally immune from prosecution for any crime he did as president and at the exact same time he is
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trump is obsessed with the boxes. and there were boxes of items that he wanted. >> i can sort of give a bit of insight into that because that's safe, that's been referred to as a couple times as my foot rest, dino sajudin, i got his contract out because they wanted the names of the love child, and the safe wouldn't close. i had to sit there, turn the tv up loud enough to hammer the safe closed. >> i may never let you live that down. >> i want to stress that the files -- >> i'm following your home. >> we're all following you home. >> the material, the files they're referring to were old clips, old files, the revelations that are out there have been out there, and there was old tips. the revelations out there have been out there and there was a stunning moment whereafter the wall street journal report, the karen mcdougal deal, donald trump is furious with david pecker. he says it was someone on the inside and i was one of the sources. this is a catch and kill and if you use this term it will give me some cover. >> good
trump is obsessed with the boxes. and there were boxes of items that he wanted. >> i can sort of give a bit of insight into that because that's safe, that's been referred to as a couple times as my foot rest, dino sajudin, i got his contract out because they wanted the names of the love child, and the safe wouldn't close. i had to sit there, turn the tv up loud enough to hammer the safe closed. >> i may never let you live that down. >> i want to stress that the files --...
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before trump no one even claimed that. after trump the courts now are full of prosecutions of his supporters and his aides. more indictments came just last night. and this is the obvious fact here. the insurrection was a public crime spree. it was televised. it was live streamed by some of its participants and now many of them are sitting in prison or waiting in trial. the related election plots are just the same. many justices seemed almost oblivious to that current reality and threat. today was a historic day for the supreme court in the sense that we will be reading about this in history books. off the top tonight i'm going to show you why and give you the breakdown. today was also a depressing day at this supreme court as its trump appointees and some other members seemed oblivious to this reality of this insurrection era. oblivious to the doj's victorious sedition convictions which not everyone may follow but judges and supreme court justices are supposed to track that. those people who stormed the capitol got their d
before trump no one even claimed that. after trump the courts now are full of prosecutions of his supporters and his aides. more indictments came just last night. and this is the obvious fact here. the insurrection was a public crime spree. it was televised. it was live streamed by some of its participants and now many of them are sitting in prison or waiting in trial. the related election plots are just the same. many justices seemed almost oblivious to that current reality and threat. today...
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donald trump. so -- but he clearly has exposure. and not only does he have exposure but there was interesting testimony about what was happening internal to ami because at some point, he goes -- we don't know the substance because they didn't waive attorney-client privilege and if you're talking to a lawyer internal to a company you don't have to reveal that publicly even at a criminal trial, but they were going to front the money to the door man. >> night they were fronting the money to karen mcdougal. he was planning on getting reimbursed from donald trump. and with karen mcdougal, it's not a donald trump who says i'm not paying you. it's you have david pecker has a conversation with counsel. >> yeah. >> and then afterwards he's like, we're not participating anymore. >> that's where the arnold schwarzenegger -- he has learned that which runs afoul -- he's so d he's a witness knowledgeable in campaign finance law. >> he's gotten involved in other campaigns, but yes, it's true. look this is the cas
donald trump. so -- but he clearly has exposure. and not only does he have exposure but there was interesting testimony about what was happening internal to ami because at some point, he goes -- we don't know the substance because they didn't waive attorney-client privilege and if you're talking to a lawyer internal to a company you don't have to reveal that publicly even at a criminal trial, but they were going to front the money to the door man. >> night they were fronting the money to...
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and that is exactly what donald trump does not want. >> if donald trump's not elected again, does this trial just go forward as usual unless president biden, if he's reelected pardons him? >> so leaving the pardon aside, this case could go forward under a second term, and the issue is what exactly the court's going to say about immunity. i agree with the point ken dilanian said, which is there are not five justices who say this case is over. they're not saying that for unofficial private acts that there's going to be presidential immunity. the issue is what is the definition of private versus official, and that's why this -- the argument was somewhat hard to follow because it really got into the weeds about what if you have somebody doing something that seems like it's part of their official acts but their motive or their intent is impure. >> so differentiating private from public acts can get very complicated. >> exactly. and that's why, just to be clear, what michael dreeben was arguing was twofold. he was saying there should not be criminal immunity for official acts except for a ve
and that is exactly what donald trump does not want. >> if donald trump's not elected again, does this trial just go forward as usual unless president biden, if he's reelected pardons him? >> so leaving the pardon aside, this case could go forward under a second term, and the issue is what exactly the court's going to say about immunity. i agree with the point ken dilanian said, which is there are not five justices who say this case is over. they're not saying that for unofficial...
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why that became such a big issue for donald trump's defense team. i wonder whether now they might have thought to argue about qualified immunity as opposed to absolute immunity. given the framing of some of the questions from the justices, it may have boded better to do so in terms of creating that distinction. i think when you are looking at the questions that were asked by gorsuch as well as alito, it's very clear there is clearly a faction on the bench that wants to create a space that allows this argument to breathe further or at least them to kick it back down and allow that to be dealt with at a lower court. if you are looking in other directions, there are clearly justices like jackson who want to try and make this as narrow as possible. this was lawyering at the highest of levels. i want to remind everyone out there, the supreme court is not right because -- they are not last because they are always right. they are right because they're always last. what i mean by that is, whatever results from this is something that we will all have to live
why that became such a big issue for donald trump's defense team. i wonder whether now they might have thought to argue about qualified immunity as opposed to absolute immunity. given the framing of some of the questions from the justices, it may have boded better to do so in terms of creating that distinction. i think when you are looking at the questions that were asked by gorsuch as well as alito, it's very clear there is clearly a faction on the bench that wants to create a space that...
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>> today, yes, given the court's decision in trump versus united states in which the -- trump versus hawaii, excuse me, where the court said, coramatsu was overruled and the decision was made with the advice of his attorney general. >> is that really true? i thought attorney general thought there was really no threat of sabotage, as did jay edgar hoover. >> i think there is a lot of historical controversy. it underscores that that occurred during war time. it implicates potential commander in chief concerns, concerns about the exigencies of national defense that might provide and as applied article 2 challenge at the time. i'm not suggesting today. the idea that a decision that was made and ultimately endorsed by this court, perhaps wrongly, would support criminal prosecution under 241 which requires under united states versus linear that the right had been made specific. so there is notice to the president. i don't think that would have been satisfied. >> we could go through other historical examples. i won't do that. let me touch briefly on a couple of other things. one is the rele
>> today, yes, given the court's decision in trump versus united states in which the -- trump versus hawaii, excuse me, where the court said, coramatsu was overruled and the decision was made with the advice of his attorney general. >> is that really true? i thought attorney general thought there was really no threat of sabotage, as did jay edgar hoover. >> i think there is a lot of historical controversy. it underscores that that occurred during war time. it implicates...
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being made by trump's team. they're saying absolute immunity. it's hard for an outside observer to see how that would make any sense at all. >> i don't think they have a chance in winning this case. i think what they have a chance of is getting a justice or two to write a dissent that will slow down the writing of this opinion. if they can slow it down enough, the hope is then judge chutkan will be forced to schedule the trial after the election. and so the american people then will not get to hear all of the evidence against donald trump. liz cheney had an important piece in the "new york times" in which she said, supreme court, decide this thing fast, because jack smith has uncovered all sorts of information against donald trump that i and the members of the january 6th committee did not have. the only way to get that in front of the american people is to have a trial before the election. the stakes aren't just about what the decision will say at the supreme court. the more important stakes are when is the cou
being made by trump's team. they're saying absolute immunity. it's hard for an outside observer to see how that would make any sense at all. >> i don't think they have a chance in winning this case. i think what they have a chance of is getting a justice or two to write a dissent that will slow down the writing of this opinion. if they can slow it down enough, the hope is then judge chutkan will be forced to schedule the trial after the election. and so the american people then will not...
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people like donald trump learned a different lesson. he learned the best way to get rich is inherit it. he learned paying taxes was something working people did, not him. he learned that telling people you're fired was something to laugh about. not in my household, not in my neighborhood. i mean it severely, no joke. >> still ahead we'll turn to sports and last night's playoff action in the nhl and the nba including the miami heat shattering a franchise record in their battle with the...
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trump added the part that read "in order to get on the trump jury." but within hours jesse waters corrected trump's mistake for him, posting trump's incorrect version of the quote to waters own twitter account in effect retroactively making his own words, words that trump wanted them to be. quite clearly and quite literally they are heeding trump's calls. they are taking his line edits. so what does a gag order mean when you have someone like this with a microphone? >> the guy needs exercise. he's usually golfing, and so you're going to put a man who's almost 80 sitting in a room like this on his butt all that time, it's unhealthy. he needs sunlight and needs activity. they're freezing him to death. he says it's like 45 degrees in there, and they're putting his life in danger. back with me lisa rubin. thank you both for being here tonight. i don't know, brian, i just -- what is the -- what's the point of a gag order honestly when you have a media industrial complex that is effectively acting as, you know, a public defense line for donald trump? >> i t
trump added the part that read "in order to get on the trump jury." but within hours jesse waters corrected trump's mistake for him, posting trump's incorrect version of the quote to waters own twitter account in effect retroactively making his own words, words that trump wanted them to be. quite clearly and quite literally they are heeding trump's calls. they are taking his line edits. so what does a gag order mean when you have someone like this with a microphone? >> the guy...